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  Cult or Religion

  by Richard C B in

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  what is a cult and what is a religion?

  its open to debate.

  who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?

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  Richard-

  Why the Watchtower style semantics?

  Jesus was supposed to have said "...by their fruits you will recognize them."

  Watchtowers rotting fruits are broken families, the deceptions of ever-changing lies (new light) and the predictable secrecy of a hierarchy were the huge sums of money disappear on the way up and the work-loads of donations and "preaching" are done by the ignorant masses at the bottom.

  All this under the tax-free guise of being a charity with no significant charitable works demonstrated - ever.

  All done in imitation of the Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists et al. at the same point in American history.

  Poop, dung, dodo, feces, droppings, scat, guano... so many many words for what is ultimately just crap.
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  Shunning legal since 1987

  by TheWonderofYou in

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  legality[edit].

  in june 1987, the united states court of appeals for the 9th circuit upheld the witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court, finding that "shunning is a practice engaged in by jehovah's witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text ... the defendants are entitled to the free exercise of their religious beliefs ... the members of the church [she] decided to abandon have concluded that they no longer want to associate with her.

  we hold that they are free to make that choice."[99][100].

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  Anyone (or group) is free to shun anyone (or group) as they wish.

  As long as you remain a member of a group that practices religiously mandated shunning - you are obliged to accept your cults ecclesiastic authority to both shun and to be shunned in accordance with the dogma you yourself support as a member.

  The mistake JWs make is not quietly quitting the cult in advance of the cults judicial actions requiring the members participation in such distasteful acts. You join the Nazi party - you are obligated to act like a Nazi.

  A judicial committee cannot be formed in respect to a former member. And you are legally free to quit any religion at any time you chose.

  Stop making targets of yourselves - quit the f-----g cult now. Make a written record of the date to show the hounders when they finally track you down - they have no authority over you unless you grant it to them.
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  Mass disassociation pact...

  by freemindfade in

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  2. beliefs

  any takers?

  we can pick a date and pull the plug?

  lol .

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  Dissociate vs. Dissasociation

  Dissociate is a term referring to separating oneself from psychologic trauma and abuse. The connotation of

  mentally leaving, disconnect, sever, cut off, separate, divorcing oneself from trauma and anguish..

  It is a synonym for disassociate - no longer enjoying the company of, or being associated as an underling of an organization or bussiness.

  Watchtower is accustomed to letters of disassociation, when really we wish to dissociate in spirit as well as body.
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  Canadian Bethel among the secretive charities

  by gone for good in

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  http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/11/15/audit_of_charities_encounters_resistance.html.

  interesting canadian information on popular charities.

  regarding the "cushion" factor that mentions how many years these charities could continue to function without a single donation remember that the wt brranches download all proceeds directly to new york.. classic cult conduct in handling donated fundswith minimal transparency.

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  http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/11/15/audit_of_charities_encounters_resistance.html

  Interesting Canadian information on popular charities.

  Regarding the "cushion" factor that mentions how many years these charities could continue to function without a single donation remember that the WT Brranches download all proceeds directly to New York.

  Classic cult conduct in handling donated fundswith minimal transparency
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  If Someone Touches Woman’s Breast and Covers it up…

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the elders schools i attended, we dealt with a person who touched a girls breast and covered it up and kept it secret until it was revealed through a source.

  the instructor first laid the ground work for a guilt trip.

  he read this scripture;.

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  Stillin -

  Yeah, that happened a lot in my life, and it wasn't unclean it was GREAT. Lovely ladies, soft kisses and

  they shared their beautiful breasts with a very appreciative guy - only these perverts could twist such joy and

  generosity into something filthy...weirdos.
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  WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven

  by sammy in

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  wtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.

  the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.

  http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .

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  Tax Free havens specialize in Captive Insurance Companies- Watchtower is certain to be doing this scam.

  They have millions of dollars so they self-insure with a company that they themselves own .

  They tell the poor slobs at the kingdumb hall that they need to pay for insurance every year, so tens of thousands of congregations pay millions of dollars year after year and the Watchtower gives the impression they are forwarding the premiums to an insurance company nobody has ever heard of.

  In fact the yearly millions go straight into one of their own bank accounts which appears to be an insurance company with only one "customer" - themselves.

  The advantage of off-shore is secrecy. Give some of your cult friends a credit card based on the off-shore account and no-one in another country will ever know as the paper work all goes back to the off-shore phony bank.

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  Intro and Thoughts

  by ThinkerBelle in

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  2. friends

  i've been lurking on the board for almost a year now and i think i'm ready to come out of hiding (although, i'm so nervous as i type this).

  i'm not ready to share everything about my story, but the basics are that i'm a born-in, elder's kid, baptized as a teenager because i was tired of hearing people ask me "all your friends are baptized, when are you going to get baptized?

  ", married an unbeliever (was df, but came back shortly after) and we have two kids.

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  Welcome Welcome young lady -

  How wonderful to see another bright young mind freed and casting itself on the wondrous, expanding waters of modern knowledge.

  You go girl!
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  Introducing Myself

  by Peony in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i've finally got round to joining the site (after over 2 years lurking!

  i was born into jws, pioneered for 10 years (met my husband at pioneer school).

  had health issues that saw me catapulted away from 'the centre of the cong' and wow what a different place that was!

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  Hello Peony -

  and welcome to you both!

  Just put your feet up and relax - you're about to make some fine new friends while you sip your tea!
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  Movies/Books for Cult Survivors

  by Brighid in

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  2. entertainment

  for me, there have always been special movies or scenes in movies that trigger my old jw experience (fiddler on the roof and little mermaid touched me deeply when i watched them as a young jw).

  later as a survivor, it was more donnie darko, thx 1138 themes that struck me in particular.. anyway, looking for suggestions on great movies, books (art of any kind, really) that especially speak to or move you as a jw survivor?

  there are reasons beyond purely entertainment that i ask..

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  The Giver

  Yes, it realistically portrayed the way elders steer others through the cognitive dissonance left from their youthful idealism to acomodate the dire realizations that a cult is a manipulating, dishonest, dangerous trap.
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  How much sediment would have been moved in Noah's flood?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i flew over this crate yesterday on my return home from las vegas.. .

  they say this crater was created by an asteroid about 50,000 years ago.

  then about 6000 years ago, presumably, god wiped out all life on earth with a global flood.. how much sediment would have been moved around during that flood.

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  The bible version of the tale of a global flood comes complete with a date - it was only 4,400 years not 6,000 as the OP postulated.